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Doug Bates's avatar

Plato put words into Socrates's mouth. I suspect this is one of those instances. Does Xenophon also show this rationalizing?

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Whit Blauvelt's avatar

Very nice. The corollary of your historical accounts would seem to be that in times of collapse the public (at least its elites) is open to new philosophies. It's not just that these examples were produced at such junctures, but that they famously became embedded in the history of philosophy as turning points.

If we're to consider actual influence on societies, Aristotle has been historically more important than Plato, scientifically, politically, and ethically. More recently, it's the latter Wittgenstein with the broader influence than the youth. And prior to the 20th century, some historians of philosophy claim Shaftesbury was the greater influence through Western Europe than Descartes or Locke, at least in the realms of ethics and aesthetics. Where those you make example of argued the proper basis for establishing opinions of the truth, Aristotle (in the Ethics) and Shaftesbury (throughout) both warned against living by opinion. Wittgenstein (young and old) also challenged how far we may rightly go with the certainty of opinions.

So there's this other tension between those who claim there is any way to build a body of opinion with total certainty -- a theory of everything -- and those who argue the contrary. (Yes, the scholastics took Aristotle as having produced a theory of everything; that was not his method or goal.)

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